Most pass of judgements without leaving their cushy little towns in the middle of nowhere in the US! The premise was how would you expect a new money to behave price-wise against other commodities (US dollar, gold, oil, etc.)? In a world of human trust, putting the wisest and most respected people in a position of Adult Supervision is a useful tactic. Good post. January 19, 2018, 6:57 pm. Scott, I think you may have that backwards: You mean that Bond *yields* werent historically low back then like they are now, right? 2. It is too corrupt and manipulative a system, which will find no takers once people are exposed to the Bitcoin world, where there is no ambiguity in money supply with no bubbles and subsequent blowing up of the currency and economy. Subsequently, some 70 years later, Im still using that toilet paper to finance my retirement, buy cars, houses and all sorts of things? You have to start thinking several steps ahead at once, like trying to imagine twitch.com in 1990. Right now, I think that this space allows people to be their own VC. You cannot create more coins than are programmed to ever exist. The population has lost trust in the institutions of governance with good reason. You made an unsupported claim. Hi Financialindependence.. We also both wear wedding rings made of gold and are quite happier with them than if they were made of copper or tin or lead or nickel or mercury. January 3, 2018, 12:14 pm. Hearing about every move Bitcoin makes is already more annoying than hearing about the DJIA ever referred to(when we have the S&P500). On the other hand, if youre cool with allowing remote-controlled robots to kill 3rd world women and children in your name, then keep using only US Dollars. For a long answer you need to understand the technicalities of it which I am not going to educate you on! Please, Alex Anton is not shouting. January 2, 2018, 6:01 pm. This is no different from rich wall street people and government controlling fiat currency. Peopleve been lusting after gold (god knows why) for millennia because it clearly arouses something inside them. This is not going to happen. Im just curious what your motivations are for all your comments. You guys are sitting in fools paradise if you think anyone would want US dollars in the years to come. http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/06/01/andreas-antonopoulos-explains-blockchain-nothing-without-bitcoin/, Mr. Frugal Toque Trust is important. People are likely to disagree on whether this is a good thing depending on their worldview. Only if you close your ears and go Na-na-na-na-na. There are many prices where gold or tulips are a totally rational purchase. If Blockchain is so great, why have individual Banks not been able to release their own Blockchain currencies in so many years? January 3, 2018, 7:23 am. Even a significant percentage would be really stupid. It will never be a currency, but I do believe it will hang around for a long time as an weirdo alternative investment like gold. January 15, 2018, 9:20 am. It has now grown quite a bit, of course. One thing in that seems to be missing in this conversation that Bitcoin maximalists will always point out: That is true even if there is no earning growth, and keep in mind that healthy earnings growth is actually expected. I have been hearing Bitcoin is a scam and a bubble since the time it was 200 bucks! This part of it is ideological to me: You Must Earn Your Money By Creating Value for Everyone. Under certain tax-related assumptions dividend policy is irrelevant to the value of a firm says one of the Modigliani Miller theorems. This one is just simply incorrect. Hows that Nvidia stock doing now that GPU sales have been skyrocketing this last year giving them two record years in 2016 and 2017? Start (or have) a company that produces and sells something people actually buy. Episode 497: Why Bitcoin is Stupid - 2 by Mr. Money Mustache. Said every speculation sucker since the 17th Century. I dont think attacking how Bitcoin is being used is a good argument because of this. What happens a cryptocurrency becomes the Standard World Currency, and at the same time, over half of all the mining power of said Standard World Currency is located within a single country which also happens to have a totalitarian regime at the top of it? Do you really think you own your Fiat paper? I think the main point of this is not that bitcoin is going to crash soon, the point is that the price is purely based on speculation. Some people might get crazy rich, but some might just go broke because of Bitcoin. Even if you are the only one in the room willing to do it. I imagine that we are both smiling at this point. The behavior of bitcoin since the genesis block has been completely different. Either way I dont think youve fully connected the dots as to why it has value. Technology is always the game changer. Some newer, better tech has now taken BTCs place here (LTC or any DAG technology). It is happening, slowly but none the less all three of your issues should be gone within 5 years). When the US dropped the gold standard it allowed the government to print paper that we perceive is valuable without any actually commodity to back it. Couldnt have said it any better myself. Priced in gold, they are still down more than 60%. No shame in that, maybe keep an open mind and try to have a discussion where we all learn something. Anyone whos ever had to wire money between banks will appreciate the quick transaction times and low (or zero) fees of these coins. Come back after a couple of years to this blog and let us see who is vindicated! Calling this a waste of human energy is NUTS. January 2, 2018, 5:54 pm, I considered investing in Bitcoin back in the summer, but decided to spend my time doing other Mustachian things such as enjoying the outdoors and spending quality time with family and friends. That in turn creates tax revenue, prosperity in a worrying economy for peoples investment portfolios, etc. And of course, the purpose of this whole aside is that I want to establish credibility with you, so you will give this article some consideration. (Now, as you mentioned, it is most likely just speculation driven by greed). Bitcoins are scarce, your fingernails are not. The underlying value of stocks are tangible assets and value added production activities. Do we really want a place where youre either an Amazonian or Walmartian? And this, MMM There are no financial instruments that will protect you from a world where we no longer trust each other. You are a dumb man TomTX! That was called new economy. I think your point about time wasted is very accurate. The problem with Bitcoin, (really all of the crypto currencies) is their value is not tied to anything of value. Why? Basically for doing the equivalent of what my grocery store does when I use a credit card. One place where coin mining could considered reasonable is during winter in a home that is already heated with electric resistance heaters. Mr. Money Mustac. The good news is that more transactions alone wouldnt raise the energy cost (although more transactions are currently impossible anyway), and if Bitcoin raised the price of electricity in one country it would probably just cause people to mine somewhere else. at best. January 3, 2018, 12:15 pm. Better to get an air-source heat pump, which multiplies your heat gain per dollar by hundreds of percent. in my opinion. Everything youve said makes sense. their invested dollars add value to a society the moment they are employed.. There is a related problem that Bitcoin transactions are too slow and too expensive to be practical. Change the company name to include the word blockchain, and explain that youre pivoting from [USEFUL_WIDGET] to exploration of and investment in opportunities that leverage the benefits of blockchain technology. I am not a millionaire either or have any heavy investments in any of this and I am not certainly looking to grow my investments by commenting on a blog, of all places! So owning gold is not insane at a reasonable price. 3 years and 1 week later. Back in its heyday, BTC was incredibly valuable for making monetary transactions (essentially anytime before this recent mania clogged up the blocks). I was kinda hoping he'd mention if his frugality was a factor or not. This idea that you HAVE TO OWN ONE FULL BITCOIN is madness. People will overbuy it in a frenzy and oversell it when fear sets in. Mr. Frugal Toque January 3, 2018, 3:18 pm, It has the most powerful force in human history behind it: Mathematics. For a shortcut to understanding good investing, you can also simply look up Warren Buffets thinking on almost any topic hes careful enough about offering opinions that by the time he makes a statement on something, you can be pretty sure it will be among the best answers out there. I dont think so. MMM has clearly thought about this more than most, however I think people would need to read more than this post to completely dismiss that a current crypto will have long term value. Humanity deserves an alternative to government (aka the financial elite) controlled money. I cant speak for the whole of Africa being simply a Kenyan but this is mega horse shit. MMM says: Cryptocurrencies are useful for anonymity and evading the government which is bad because we need the governemnt and we need to trust each other. Also appreciate the utility of sending value to anyone anywhere with an internet connection without asking a middleman for permission doing financial surveillance on you. Totally agree about cryptos- but not sure gold should be lumped in with them. I agree with you. Liquidity is very low, which tends to drive prices up or down quickly, and lead to very high market capitalization despite relatively little money being injected. Update, my fingernails are up to $160,000 now. Amazing that simple addition and subtraction can escape these great financial minds, so perceptive of macroeconomics. While were on the topic of bubbles, it seems the truly gigantic bubble in the world isnt bitcoin, but rather the global debt market. The thing that stopped me is that shorting it is a *pain in the ass*. Ryan Thomas "Find a graph that includes [the. Then my father used the same toilet paper for his cars and his house? While stocks are likely a bit frothy, P/E ratios arent near the peaks they were circa 2000s: And important thing to note here is that underneath (almost all) stocks are actual engines of growth with hundreds or thousands of humans working hard, churning out profits, earnings, and dividends. Andy Stow So I did learn a bit about locking and unlocking information, hacking, and ensuring that independent brains (whether they are two adjacent CPUs on a circuit board or two companies negotiating across the Pacific) can trust each other and coordinate their actions in lockstep. https://twitter.com/SunnyStartups/status/946711941250273280/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcointelegraph.com%2Fnews%2Findia-falsely-condemns-bitcoin-as-ponzi-scheme-flawed-logic, A man is not a financial plan January 3, 2018, 4:42 pm. Vijay, I think you should sell every non-bitcoin asset you own, borrow as much money as you possibly can, and buy as many bitcoins as possible. Ultimately, Bitcoins functionality is what the digital asset should derive most of its value from. If your chosen currency doesnt win out it goes to 0 since if it has no users it has no value. Assuming you can know the exact price of a commodity on a given day is speculative, yes. You would be one of those skeptics who in 1992 would have said Internet has no future because its present bandwidth cannot even handle an attachment over email! These units run circles around the baddest gaming PC with 6 graphics cards in terms of performance, but they are noisy and not a good room heater for anyone with Ok hearing. All these ICOs are just insane. As platforms. Firstly, if Jihan is that rich, its probably because he doesnt spend his money. January 2, 2018, 9:45 pm. Dan, I am not angry when someone says they dont want to invest in it. January 2, 2018, 8:08 pm, Another great article that i share with my friends who are obsessed with Bitcoin: http://contrarianedge.com/2017/12/01/bitcoin-millennials-fake-gold/. (Serious question. Lets take the oil price in the middle of the last decade as an example of a real bubble. I believe MMM has missed the point completely in his rant above. Itll be like monetizing bandwidth because were effectively dealing with the internet of value and ownership. I have used an ETH mining machine to replace the space heater in my office and have seen only marginal energy increases. Until the price of bitcoin (any of the crypto currencies) achieves some semblance of stability, they will fail to be good mediums of exchange. How else should people behave? January 17, 2018, 9:00 am, bitcoin is down 50% in the past three weeks. It is not an investment. I have no issue with the block chain. All true. January 11, 2018, 4:23 am. (a Case Study), https://medium.com/p/81f5ffa42deb?source=linkShare-6c666494704c-1516693614, https://www.statista.com/statistics/326707/bitcoin-price-index/, https://globalnews.ca/news/3977745/ethereum-blockchain-canada-nrc/, https://prestonbyrne.com/2017/12/08/bitcoin_ponzi/, https://seekingalpha.com/article/4134745-bitcoins-path-1-million-bubble-bursting-anytime-soon, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-zIbVEjVpQ, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeMv9uKpAZg, https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/btc?HashingPower=190&HashingUnit=MH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=1293&CostPerkWh=0.12, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania, http://contrarianedge.com/2017/12/01/bitcoin-millennials-fake-gold/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States. To me: you Must Earn your Money by Creating value for Everyone mention his... 3:18 pm, it is ideological to me: mr money mustache bitcoin Must Earn your Money by Creating value for Everyone its... 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