Chris only saw things with one lense. So yeah sigh! Or do they just know? I was 59 weighed 120 lbs, so was skinny. I sense some disciplinary issues, and Ive seen her being absolutely overwhelmed as to how to really effectively handle even the most basic of situations. I cannot get over what he did. Required fields are marked *. I was near death before my ex took his hands off my neck. (883931) Full autopsy reports of all 3. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. The toxicology results likely represent decomposition and an artifact of being submerged in an oil tank for several days. On page six of the report in the General Internal Examination findings, it states:- Donald, the house has bedrooms upstairs and a central family room with a couch and TV in between the master and the girls bedrooms. He added Shannan in as an after thought, or Shannanor my wife Hey, I appreciate ppls input but to act all high and mighty and be disrespectful of others by trying to make them look and feel like idiotsI dont care how much you know or how smart you are. From what I understand its not possible to swallow fluids once youre dead. Does this indicate that she was alive after being put into the oil tank? He was holding me down by sitting on me, one leg on each side of my stomache. Shan'ann seemed to have a fairly mild case. He was a mechanic. They went to her house and observed her car in the garage. Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it, Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW. If the digestive tract opens up at death, where did Shannan, Bella and Celeste poop? Mechanical compression with blood vessels in the neck (as in a Stranglehold) causes a reduction in oxygenation of the brain, leading to cerebral hypoxia/ischaemia, anaerobic metabolism, and acidaemia/acidosis (similar to the effects of cardiac arrest on the brain (Longstreth 2001). In this day and age, OCD has become a replacement word for ritualistic behaviour and personal idiosyncrasies. And the life insurance policies out on the 3 girls, not sure Nico yet, was not very much at all. She even labelled food in her kitchen. Do you think that maybe she was actually just unconscious? I dont believe this was planned because everyone says that its ridiculous that he buried them at his place of employment. Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing was a spur-of-the-moment crime of passion and didn't admit to planning it. He was presented with evidence before the plea deal, and we dont know the content of those conversations. He then "went into a rage," he claimed, and strangled her to death in retaliation. After reading your response Im wondering if this was filled with ethanol or some similar agent. Under anaerobic conditions (absence of free oxygen) acids such as lactic acid, acetic acid and butyric acid are produced during decomposition, as well as a number of alcohols which include butyl alcohol, ethyl alcohol and acetone. Perhaps they had one via phone or text. Was there no evidence of feces on the girls beds either so maybe they were not killed in bed? Im a survivor. as former sheriffs deputy, mid 70s, (When females allowed on patrol) The only thing that could have screwed with this is that $69 charge to the Lazy Dog. This dog did not find any place of interest (both seemed to be keen on searching by the basement bed) I have NO doubt that CW did a choke-hold on his wife from behind or right side, rendering her unconscious while smothering her airwayshe never woke upis why she didnt struggle or stop him. How do THESE people know? I believe those stains were on the sheets and thats why they were pulled off. The girls were wearing nightgowns, Cece a pink nightgown with birds on it, and Bellas nightgown had a unicorn or believe on it. No, ONE fully-formed, perfect adult and TWO fully-formed, perfect BABIES. Debbie do you have a link to that 411 Documentary please? She was calling him honey, and being all lovey dovey in her messages to him all weekend. You get to know the people involved in a criminal investigation pretty well after writing 4 x 30 000+ word narratives. Correct. Also, in the 2-4 minutes it took him to kill Shannan, this father who would never hurt his kids, never looked at the visible baby bump and thought Im killing the baby too, I need to stop. Believe meeven the worst of the worst, hardened criminals do NOT like baby killers.they WILL do to him what he did to his babiesjust a matter of time one of those inmates having NOTHING to lose, lifetime sentences.CW is NOT going to live long once hes let out of his isolated cageGuards will make sure a door gets left open, backs turnedthey HATE baby killers toowe all do. Pee and Poo So she wasnt in rigor at the home and was likely just starting to show signs while he was burrying her at the site. He may not of been able to face their killings but if he was distant, cold, towards her, like the reports say, he wouldnt of had a problem killing her by strangulation if he was emotionally distant. And that she looked at him as she died. I didnt see any evidence that Shanann tried to defend herself, probably because he sat on top of her. Would love your thoughts, please comment. I wore my bra at night sometimes as well while pregnant because they become larger, heavier and more tender. Have you read the 2000 page discovery? If Im interpreting the autopsy correctly he effectively smothered and strangled at the same time but I never see this mentioned anywhere. Ella no tomaba ni la basura tampoco, lo dijo la nana de las bebs. This sick bastard should have done everyone a favor and took his own life. I have always slept with a bra on and I am 43 years old, always. Like 1 in the kitchen by her purse. I dont know her daily habits, but i use mine as an alarm. @Kaye Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself.>>>When he murdered Shanann, how do you think he did it? In the report, (link below) stories of financial devastation, destruction of relationships, and even murders and suicides paint a vivid picture of an industry built on lies and deception a business that focuses its greedy eyes on the naive and the vulnerable. It may interest people to see how MLM companies such as Thrive, train their customers and promoters in Time and Management and Organisational skills, both of which can be classified as OCD behaviours to an untrained eye. Her fully formed gallstone may have contributed to her not feeling well during her last MLM trip. Dont jump on me buthear me bnb ot, I believe Chris. Not one place on his body? Here is what the International OCD Foundation says. The autopsy is commenced at 1030 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Shanann Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. Back? She was not drinking while pregnant! I honestly believe Chris smothered them all with ethanol soaked cloths. Also, wasnt her phone found in between couch cushions. I hope he gets what he deserves while he is in prison!!!!!! He was all over the house. I took a lot of interest in the K9 footage as I had a SAR Shore Rescue dog for 13 years (best nose in Cornwall). Do you think Shanann was the type of person to leave her suitcase downstairs and just go to bed? But considering she seemed to be an amazing mother, I highly doubt she was drinking. Powered by. That seems to have been nothing but getting manicures, shopping, and making videos. Jami I have 1 question for you. Possible if the hips were gyrated slightly, titled vertically, the horizontal width could be reduced by an inch. I feel like maybe she did meet them. He resented how close they all were and was sadistic enough to hurt her. When it was revealed yesterday that the children had been smothered, I assumed a pillow was used, especially since it would cover their faces and provide emotional distance for Chris while murdering his own children. Police reportsPhotos of the Watts family in the police reports. Chris Watts was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife Shanann, their unborn child, and their two children, Celeste and Bella, ages 4 and 3. I have read through this entire post and this is the one question that I dont think is getting enough attention. Then he killed his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3 at his job site on an oil field. I slept in my bras with all four of my pregnancies. I did hear shananns mom say let them in her daughters house. Defining post mortem bruising requires qualified scientific investigation. Prior to taking the test he was asked a bunch of questions one of them was name some ways you could make somebody disappear. Now thats one of the main ways that most lay people think of first but he was coming up with these weird ways but distancing himself from strangling. After that, then everything started going bad and stressing him out. Along comes NK, (a pig in her own right) who rocked ol Christophers world! He didnt attempt to revive the children or call for help. And honestly Im sure he had a lot of time on his hands to do stuff. She was relatively YOUNG. It wouldnt have mattered about sleeping in the same bra and panties as shed travelled in she was going to be waking up at 4am when Chris woke as shed asked him to wake her and the hair care product purchase attempt was around 2am, so what would 2 more hours mean? The second dog was simply a tracker dog, not trained for cadavers but to track a missing person. I'm not sure whether the restrictions on health related information had a bearing on this aspect, or the Thrive aspect, or both. A persons muscles relax upon death, including the sphincter. ShanAnn used everyone in service to her addiction, without really appearing concerned for how it was affecting them. A tee-shirt and undies is a Sleeping Uniform for many women, another fact. Stomach: The stomach contains approximately 75mls of viscous green-black fluid which is suggestive of oil and particulate matter from the oil tank which she was in. I find it more comfortable & Ive always been afraid of sagging. When youre pregnant, your chest grows significantly and pretty rapidly- its completely understandable that she might have been wearing one to bed. CW planned it, read it up. I dont know why, but I have a deep need (would have never expected this) to discuss what happened, and I need to be honest with my observations. Watts was having an affair with a woman named Nichol Kessinger, and Shananns texts show he had grown cold to her. Listen to the cop who interrogated him after he tells that stupid story. He said the blood alcohol is normal after you die. Is there any way you can send it to my email please. Bella was face up in the oil tank. SWs flight delay was bad news, but since hed already gotten the girls out of the way, there was nothing left but to proceed with getting rid of SW and he almost got away with it. But I want to know so badly the time of death. I have no insight? Think before you speak, Im glad he will never be out of his jail cell. People with OCD can have obsessions related to a wide variety of things, including losing control, hurting others, unwanted sexual thoughts, and many more. Do you think youre asking for reasonable evidence that would be commonplace and easy to produce? Why was the oil/sludge found in Bellas stomach? Its good that youre trying to demonstrate this and see it through. Or perhaps Chris had one with himself by way of rationalizing killing his family, although I dont think it was emotional. I just dont get it. 1. When you are larger or they are tender, especially when pregnant, it is easier to sleep in them. Meaning there should be no oil in her stomach just like cece. From what I can understand of the facts in this case- there were no scratches to Chris. @Nick I thought the bedsheets in the bedroom were soiled? And his mistress tells him she wants to be the one to have his first boy prior to the murders and surprise after finding out she is having a boy , she is now dead. One thing that was truthful that came out of NKs mouth was that he lied about everything. It just seems to me that Bella would actually have had to swallow the oil to get it into her stomach. 3. Shannan would choke the like out of Watts before she hurt her kids. It is a condition that causes you to have irrational and uncontrolled thoughts, and the only way to make the thoughts stop, is to perform a ritual. Everyone tho he was great guy. She often plied them with food and treats and I just felt like she needed to set some boundaries. Why was her phone downstairs along with suitcase. I found nothing unusual with that part. I expect they also make youtube channels of women doing things wrong to say why they hate women, even if men usually do more of those things, If he killed her downstairs how would there have been no movement on main floor shortly after she got home. Thus, the little girls may have been unconscious but they were NOT COMPLETELY DEAD YET.and that is how oil got into their LUNGS !!!!!!!!! I wondered what became of the gas can. According to the Denver Channel, Watts received three life prison terms without the possibility of parole. https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/rohde-court-told-of-faeces-in-spier-hotel-room-15629834. Good point! 1. He failed all 3 questions. Please God Forgive me for everything.. Gallstones form over a period of time, raised hormone levels in pregnancy contribute to them. x, Ive said this before. would that be a normal time for Chris to leave for work? The phone was found in the cushions of that upstairs couch, not the downstairs couch. She wanted to be, and really thought she was, a great mom. The children were in 20 foot tanks with hatches on top. It takes 4 5 hours for a stomach to empty after eating. Shanann is very OCD [McKenna Lindstrom, the babysitter]. In fact, its not just the muscles but also the gas produced inside your body following death that will cause peeing and pooping. Theyd already pulled $10,000 out of Chris 401K to try and get caught up on their mortgage, but they were somehow burning through money like there was no tomorrow. Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. It would be tiring to lug it upstairs and she might not have wanted to make any noise. And anyone on this thread acting as if the mother plays any part(or the mistress) for that matter..well you are just as psychotic. Because when he called her, he said, mom, they are searching the house. Why would he say that to her if she did not have prior knowledge? Chris said: I freaked out and I did the same thing to f****** her. Mark your theory makes a lot of sense. What do you think about the 8 inch thief hatch, and the narrowest section of Ceecees hips being 9.5 inches, according to the autopsy? I think she was then taken, with her children, out of the rear of the property for concealment. He just didnt want another baby. What about rigormortis? I also believe Shanann was also sleeping when the attack occurred which could explain her lack of putting up a fight. Her office was described as unorganized and sort of messy, as were closets, drawers, and things out of sight. Ive not discussed it here though, its in the books. I wrote a book that tried to integrate information, not just throw the information in the air and shrug. What is going on?? But the way he disposed of their bodies and took them out of school, I dont believe that at all. Unfortunately, I know what its like to be strangled. Her legs would have been free, but if he was high up on her chest I doubt she would have been able to even get him with her knees, they would not have reached him. Autopsy shows oil, water, and sludge in their lungs, which cannot happen when you are dead. On the police cams you can just see hi. Also this is awful but he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. There are a lot of types online who get off on blaming victims for what others do. This was filmed during the police officers body cam footage. But I am of course hoping that she was totally unaware in her unconsciousness. These may have been caused by an object, such as a necklace worn by the victim, or fabric, such as heavy-duty leather (such as a motorcycle jacket being worn by the murderer), and being compressed between the arm of the assailant and the neck/face of the victim. Seemed to me like she kept everything clean that you could see. Not whether you or most people would or wouldnt do that do you think Shanann was the type of person to do that? The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy for Bella said. Oil water and sludge debris in the stomach.. Also just because she was strangled and they were suffocated doesnt mean dirt. Maybe body positioning and gravity? I have high praise for you, you are excellent at what you do. If the girls were dead by ca. Ditto who died first and last. https://jcp.bmj.com/content/54/5/348, This is why Shanann had no defensive injuries, and this technique would account for everything in her autopsy, from blood alcohol/ethanol levels to an unbroken hyoid bone After 2nd child, changed. Bella was wearing pink pajama-type top with images of hearts and butterflies. Poor thing. Mark, that is really interesting! Can anyone comment about the oil content in the one childs stomach? Watts isnt a trained jujitsu. Utter Rubbish! That goes against every human primal instinct we have, it just wouldnt happen. Cyril Wect is an expert who always talks about how drowning victims have water in their lungs ONLY if they are alive during drowning and not completely dead !!!!!! Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. -nickvdl. That does not necessarily equate to being a psychiatric disorder, just personal empowerment. Chris cleaned all that up so quickly and completely? He also is the male submissive in F/m relationships. Simply stated, you are an ignorant human being, Badmouthing the vicitm like that when she can not defend herself. Hello everyone, Theres just too much, including motive, he wanted a life with Nicole with no disturbances. Carol, I think you are absolutely spot on, and on all points too. He said they had been talking about separating for a few weeks. So Shananns OCD personality stopped that night? It was almost too much to absorb at one reading. I chose this thread that details the grisly aspects of the deaths to post it because, after reading the entire thing, it almost seems that there was an unrecognized accomplice in the Watts family murders. Police photos Why does there always gotta be one of those? Lack of petechiae. He snapped and I was terrified of him. Shannan was a hypochondriac, who was gonna turn her kids into the same. Everyone did think I was the nutty one by what he said cause he was a great guy to them. Chris Watts destroyed three fully formed, perfect adults. CeCe did not have any marks & I attribute that to her age, not understanding what was happening & Im sure she lost consciousness quickly as she had breathing problems. What was Shananns cause of death? Are you a parent? I wrote a novel here but I can dispute any theory you have with common sense, and irrefutable evidence! I consider it strange to have them there FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO. OCD can be like gluten-sensitivities. She was an environmental science person. She was wearing a black or gray t-shirt and blue underwear. She was organized but that is not OCD, same as me. Of course he kept saying hed never hurt those kids, he was lying, trying to save his ass. If Shanann tried to claw his neck I would think he would have cuts there. In his story he goes downstairs & hears commotion goes into the bedroom & sees Bella on her bed with covers off & then Shannan on top of CeCe. Supposedly he took them out of school and said they wouldnt be coming back. He couldnt get into anyways so I dont know what the plan was gonna be after. She should have seen my house when my kids were little. The Weld County Coroner released the complete autopsy reports of Bella, Celeste, and Shanann Watts, who were murdered by Chris Watts on August 13. Or putting her down. For the sake that they did poop, youre assuming he didnt clean it up in the bed. When asked if they were going to find any marks on her during his confession he said I dont think so and when asked why he said it was because she didnt fight back because I was in such a rage Tell me how that makes any sense at all? But hed then be a full time father leaving him not much time to galavant with NK except when a babysitter came. Have they watched something? 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