Posting something creepy anonymously and we cant track your location because youre on a mobile device or using hide my ass or some other proxy. So far, from what I've read the stories here are pretty fucked up. Almost nobody finds success without a few major lapses in judgment along the way. Yesterday is waste paper, today is news paper, tomorrow is question paper and Amway is the answer paper. Sometimes it may be a new husband or wife. Hey anonymous and annaAre any of you single, Hi Anna. It's so funny that you all still think it's a scam and it doesn't work. After a half hour of talking to him I feel like I already wasted a big chunk of my life I will never get back. so it doesn't seem like the protein bar price at least is unreasonable.. so i still feel like there is more to this scam that I dont understand. I have to admit, I LOVE THIS. Public figures like politicians and actors and people known in Amway are probably OK the owners, Diamonds with CDs or who speak at functions, people in Amways publicity department who write press releases and blogs. Around here we're not dumb fucks who go around reading stuff that doesn't interest us or might otherwise piss us off. THAT is why they are so hot on recruiting, recruiting, recruiting. This is a great waste of everybody's time. First, Diamonds make more than 150k. They recognize winning card percentages, cost to play, table volatility, sunk loss, emotions, tendencies of other players, and play their cards accordingly, separating themselves from pride and ego. As they are not played by humans [] It helps others know they're not going through the Amway hell hole alone. They would be the first to do that since Brad and Julie Duncan went Founders Diamond. Anonymous - you better go counsel with the assholes in your Amway upline. But of course it didn't. And if the ambot finds 6 people and they find 6 people and so on then they're all going to be RICH. Hello Anna, I read this entire page and all its comments and I'd like to share my story. I can conclude that you either are lying, or you simply built a poor organization. Find a way to make extra money and invest it.If you're inside the Amway cult, the cult leaders will tell you to "invest" you money back in Amway buying shitty overpriced products and investing in the tool scam.Normal people know to invest in real estate or stocks or classic cars or what have you. LOL! Its a constant battle trying to keep the money in our bank account instead of throwing it away at the Great Amway God. There is a link to a free ebook called Merchants of Deception. Like you said big red flags.Look further up on the right side of this page under Amway related links. Please check your Minimum Browser Requirements. My parents were Amway folks back in the late 80s and throughout the 90s, even into the early 2000s. Answer (1 of 9): Amway diamond income is made up of bonus and commissions paid by Amway and the income earned from BWW which produces Talks and organizes seminars. You know very few people call and want to get in. They are currently Founders Crowns. The only question is how much emotional and financial damage will Scamway cause before he quits. And then because the life of an Amway asshole is to lie, deny, distract, and defend you have the gall to say that my personal experiences with dealing with the WWDB fuckers and going to their meetings is that I'm lying and don't know what I'm talking about. That's what the life of an Amway Ambot is all about, never having any cash on you. Cya at my McDonald's Anna :p. Theo - OMG. Next time you see that Amway loser ask to see the rental agreement because Amway is all about fake it till you make it. You don't have to pay some fucking asshole in your Amway upline $100+ a month for that shit. Only those at the top make money off of the 99% of those below them. i am an ibo with 9% level.my best wishes r with u to become diamond..plz tell me how many ibos r required to become silver..?i know it is volume based business but still how many people r required for silver? From what Ive seen of Amway Diamonds they live beyond their means. How the hell do I know if its fake or not? It's like this, 5 seagulls are on a dock and one decides to fly away, How many seagulls are left?5. URA?Or are you going to run and hide, realizing you have made a dangerously invalid remark, with a face attached?-Jerry, You guys shut the hell up you all are broke and if you check the stats Amway is rated much higher than your jobs and it had help more people become financially free. This is the 2nd most popular post on this blog for views and comments. If your career pays you 100k per year and you make 50k a year in amway, are you going to be complaining? A diamond is constantly on the road so i expect expenses would eat up at least half that. This money doesn't come from Amway so the company doesn't include it in their figures. Amway is a very expensive social club! i would like to know how is it possible. Not what those hyped up ambots pretend the income is gazillions of dollars rolling in every month. The "prosperity Gospel" is a truly sick idea, and completely alien to genuine Christianity. That's the place Ambots use to stash all the overpriced Amway shit they're stockpiling. So says you on a post with over 100 comments. Amway busi. So 0.014%. Suckers. Amwayers use to say, once a direct always a direct. Amway is all about selling the hope. I love my freedom to spend with my family. Oh great another dumb fuck Amway ambot stops by. Of course not because people in Amway don't believe anything unless someone else in Amway says it whether or not it's true, Amway ambots parrot the Amspeak from these assholes.I've done enough research minimal as it may be that I have a good idea what will happen to a person if they jump onto the subway lines that I don't have to experience it firsthand and can draw on someone else's experience that they got themself electrocuted to death. The Financial Jonestown: My experience with the Amway Motivational Organization (AMO) URAssociation. This blog is about Amway scum - like you! Nothing's for free. So are you telling us that diamonds make more? Hi anna. And yup everyone in our upline to Emerald had jobs other than Amway. And why must they only do amway and sit at home on their asses?American sport stars have the same lifestyle as diamonds.. earn a fortune for a few years and then they get too old at 35. I've also found out that by doing a lot day in and day out in getting people to buy or make connections for them to join is tough but they say is well worth it. What if my dreams aren't as selfish and petty as the typical Ambot dream? I was so enamored with their houses and cars, but also how incredibly douchey and pathetic they all looked. i have joined amway business in the month of february They couldnt stop, of course. So please give us some hints like describe yourself or something. I guess haters will always hate. Well you know what they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder! U get Best Prods. Amway folks really don't sell all that much product. No vacations, no socializing with normal people. LOL! Why to help middleman (Retailer-Whole Sellers-Dealers & Ad people) to be RICH? Anna, my friend invited me to an E-commerce meeting with over 2,000 people. All still alive and well! Wonder how the wwdb cult leaders explain how they took 5+ yrs to get a new diamond. The only 95% I know of in Amway is that 95% of IBO's quit within 2 years. You do realize that Amway's head office reads this blog. He tried to get me to join a couple of months back to which I said no. Amway: The Untold Story Brig & Lita Hart vs. Amway et al. The things I learned from Amway I have always used in my everyday life. A few years passed and I had started my own business - something that actually created value in this world, when I ran into those sponsors. Amway and Scientology, Apart From the Labels, What's the Difference? The rest they got from selling business tools (supposedly at cost; that is certainly what they told us). Not hard to figure out at all why Amway diamonds are broke. Anna,Thank-you, this column is wicked. I know we did.Why do Amway ambots keep accusing me of having a job? You cannot just dismiss the thousands of people who voice their grief with this business. Their mouth is moving. They're losers who are going to be dead or broke by the time they're 65. Would you like to share this work plan to grow so highly with me as a help. A nice profit when you don't have bookshop overheads to meet. (And, as ibofightback mentioned, there is overlap. I did Amway for a few months back in the mid 90s when I was in the Marines. LAst time I checked, Christians do not go around calling those who In their better judgment , turn down a business opportunity , "losers" and "Negative". That is what cults do. We'll be waiting.-Jerry. I can see how that would cost extra but is it viable in the market place. But we also know that diamonds earn income from the sale of tools. I don't know what made you guys so bitter, But it really seems like you have no idea what you're talking about. The other 5% will be broke losers forever except for a tiny percentage who are the best liars and the best scammers and have no morals and conscience and they will make some money at Scamway. Their income as declared by Amway is Rs 82.41 Lacs/an. Do your research amigosForbes.com #25 on the top 100 listNet-work marketing is a legitimate businessSears, best buy, Apple, Barnes and Nobles, Office Depot, Disney, and a total of 80 others are all partners with this so call scamwayIf Amway is a scam then call the feds because this is the longest scam in the history of the U.S54 years to be exactI suggest you read books on the industry (Network Marketing) which has 52 billion dollars in revenue each yearRobert Kiyosaki wrote a book "The business for the 21st Century" also "School of Business"Other books to get information on the industry "The New Professionals"Donald Trump and Warren Buffet both have NETWORK MARKETING COMPANIES and they have BILLIONS of reasons as to why I stop and listen to them. !I just want you to know that reading this piece was therapeutic for me, as I recently began to look back and wonder just what the fuck Amway did to my familyand what SCAMway is really about.Thanks again :). Amway's own figures on their literature show only a small fraction of 1% IBO's make money. How about they keep them cause it's going to cost more in time and gas money than what those brainwashing tools are worth! Because all those expenses I listed above, if you screw up and don't buy them the assholes in the Amway upline will give you a shit kicking and mock you at Amway meetings. THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO DO AMWAY BUISNESS BECAUSE ALL THE HURDLES HAVE BEEN REMOVED WITH REGARD TO THE BUISNESS BUILDING PROCESSS. They figure once they get the sucker there and get them in front of their Amway cult leader they'll want to sign up so they can spend more time with that bastard. And I'm talking a low quality chocolate. All of the entries are great, but this one really can be a forefront entry. How likely is it you can find 1000 people to keep motivated to buy $300 worth of Amway products every month so you can earn commission? Went right over that Ambot's head! Hi Vikas, i say forget chasing or hating the dream and just make some extra money. The new IBO will receive an email with a link to complete the process, Share referral links to your favorite products and receive credit for all of your customer sales. . How can you say 150 k is a nice income. It may only be shared or re-used under licence. FUCK OFF!!! They had a proposal to make to me and I agreed to meet them for coffee. How much does a diamond make in Amway? LOL! Its about the only thing taught at Scamway meetings. . When our sack of shit Platinum talked his downline into moving over to Monavie I estimate that was a loss of around $25,000/month to Amway. www.bet.com. Many drop off the radar because they couldn't keep bullying their downline to buy buy buy. Even if we are talking 4,000 diamondships (which many diamondships have two diamonds in it), that would be each diamondship running $16.5 million in volume annually. LOLOL wow. I have been with amway for only a month now, but this has been the most exciting time because my husband and I are preparing to reach diamond status in record time. Theres got to be something more than just commission. Well they'd need to. And there are hundreds of new platinums each year. What kind of revelation is that I ask? Where Are They Now? Of course, like any brainwashed Ambot, this guy just sees the "insults" and "foul language" and totally skips over the TONS of articles and posts going into great detail of WHY Amway is a losing "opportunity", a mathematical dead-end pyramid where only less than 1% of people make any kind of profit, and which is why it is based on "dreams" and not reality. Bootlegging tapes. 1500000 if i understand correctly. Amway Diamonds- How To Hit The Rank. I've fallen in love with a woman in Amway. People quit. The site is unable to respond. They have not been recognized in the Amagram or Achieve as having achieved Emerald or Diamond on their own. So, the real money is in selling the dream. I am saying for myself, I was taught and have higher business ethics then Scamway.Living my own dream, Freddy. Hehehe,I am about to go Diamond in only 3 years of hard work and dedication.How much I Love when skepticals turn out to be wrong :)Du, nu nu nu, nu nu, nu nu,Cant touch me. Anonymous - you're too kind when you call him a dickhead! I hate Amway so much, and my poor mom had to fight against so much of Amway's bullshit lifestyles. But Anonymous can go right on "faking it til he makes it" and thinking "everything is awesome" as month after month goes by and he slips deeper and deeper into debt while his upline lovebombs/abuses him and tells him "you can't quit now, not when success is just around the corner. Most ambots start to think about quitting in 6 months when they're not making money. "It's quite true: De Vos and Andel tried to rein in the criminal bigshots like Britt and Yager and Duncan and Puryear, all of whom were making a fortune on nothing but signing up new IBOs and browbeating them into buying $300 worth of Amway products every month, without even asking those IBOs to sell those products to the public. Are your families dreams worth it? Do I look like a mechanic? Worth also noting that all of Alticors non-Amway related revenues are based in the United States, and media and industry reports regularly state that more than 90% of Alticors revenue comes from outside of the US, so Amway revenue is that revenue plus Amway US revenue, which has been reported at around the $860 million mark leaving less than $200 million for non-Amway Alticor revenue, consistent with the earlier reports. It was a 13,000 square foot mansion in every sense of the word. Anyone can say "..it had help more people become financially free" without any actual proof or statistics other than that's what your upline told you. Anonymous - LOL! A Q-12 platinum (lets assume 10K PV) runs at minimum $360K annually. But to hell with all that. Same old Ambot propaganda. Feel free to join in or live vicariously! Here's what I wrote at the time in my journal: It took almost 2.5 hours to get there but I made it finally. Times were [] Anonymous - your way is the honest way. I remember qualifying on an incentive to visit Diamond Clark and Diana Broome's house in Loomis, California. Like everything else in Amway.Anyway the guy your friend got you in front of is one of Amway's best closers and like I said if he was working commissioned sales in another business he'd be making good money. I feel almost certain that it is a pyramid scheme that has only existed through a legal loophole (selling products)A guy i know is currently trying to get me to join Amway.. now my question is why these people are so focused on gaining more downlines when it seems they could make good profit just by selling products at markup. the 12 billion annual revenue that is toted around by distributors is the total revenue for Alticor (parent company of Amway). Look at the small print where it shows how much Amway Diamonds make each year. God bless everyone! Absolutely correct! I'll bet twice as many are questioning their faith after being involved with some of the unsavory elements in the Sales organizations. To you I personally say "Amen Sister!" That means that you need to personally sponsor 6 people and help all 6 of them build their business to the point were they are doing 7500 points every month in business. The point of this blog is to show that Amway is NOT a solution, it's a money-losing cult that MAKES problems for people, not solve them. He just found me on Facebook a few months ago, he quit Amway about a year later, never did make any money at it. Anna. After the meeting, they asked me what I thought and I politely told them that I was not interested in Amway. Nobody wants Amway's overpriced soap or shampoo. Over on Amway Wiki a number of diligent editors have been creating information pages about the many, many people around the world who have qualified at the Amway Diamond level or higher. How many IBOs have come in here claiming they know someone who makes "gazillions'? Then there were the books, all of which were priced at what they'd cost in a bookshop. Astonishingly, he makes $300k on a bad year and $460k on a good year. If its just word of mouth from some lying upline asshole we all know not to believe it. Amway Christians. Now there's a topic for the day. Ive now added an extension to the Wiki which allows us to easily list these pages and so far we have information (at least the names!) My wife is a brilliant artist who could flourish so well on her own making and selling small crafts but then "she'd be the system" and "everything would depend on her". Where else would you get that working 4 hours a week?recessions happen and effect more than just amway. I hope you are doing that now. LOL! Not even accurate. i fell proud my diamond upline is anurag and nidhi agarwal. Diamond are able to requalify. These are the guys with the lavish lifestyles that few will ever achieve. And while you're sucking his dick off you better get more instructions on how not to say negative. I have yet to have someone tell me that they were involved in this great transportation company and then have it turn out to be a Toyota salesman trying get me to buy a car. I got in because a friend of mine was landscaping an Amway Emrald's house in my area. Don't forget the tool scam money. What if someone valued being around generally positive people?I have met 5 diamonds and I feel a peace I don't see from any employees.GOD BLESSps. You do till you are 65.It takes time to build any business.And so what if Amway people are out building their business alk the time. Or any other night. Thank GOD. People get fired. Hey I'm the last dude who wasted my life reading this blog so far :D Just take a minute and think carefully guys, would you guys listen to a person speaking tons of bad words or a person speaking nicely? I told them to go F&@ck themselves. People get caught up in the hype of an Amway meeting, sign up, pay, go home and research it on the Internet and go holy shit this is a cult and a scam and get out right away too. Sick, evil Amway demons! Do you really want to cancel your registration? There are other places to dish about what Diamonds are having affairs or guessing why theyre getting divorced. The company simply doesn't make that kind of margin on its products nor is there that much product being distributed. I am texting you "live" from this bull shit praise meeting that makes me want to VOMIT. And yeah most of the bad reputation is because of the antics of their commissioned saleforce and the various cult sects Amway allows to operate. It wouldn't have been helpful if they quit now would it? Anyway, yeah so he gave me a lip gloss sample to show to girls to try to get them to purchase lip gloss. It only suggests you could be if you work hard at it.If it only provides $1000 or 2000 per month extra, that should already be awesome. If these two men had the blind faith that you and the millions or other sheep around the world do, wouldn't they just sign up in the same fashion you did? They're not who you are. I'm glad we helped you from making a big mistake and even if you can't help your friend escape (give him a few months when he runs out of money) at least it sounds like he's young enough to recover financially. !If you want unbiased look at the Dateline videos done by real reporters interviewing past and current Amway employees. Tobbi - you are probably right. The current page will be reloaded with this account info. Over on Amway Wiki a number of diligent editors have been creating information pages about the many, many people around the world who have qualified at the Amway Diamond level or higher.I've now added an extension to the Wiki which allows us to easily list these pages and so far we have information (at least the names!) Learn how your comment data is processed. Anonymous - you don't think Darnell its hilarious that many people have been financially and emotionally devastated by the Amway scam? Omg anna you foreal need to get a life. 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