I have 1 simple question, 1st question for now what is the 1 and only way to heaven? Right, they can go hear Wommack themselves and learn how, God is able to do exceeding abundantly but it is according to the power that works in us,.. just as Jesus spoke to this, when he told the woman who had touched the hem of his garment (or tassels) and was healed, yet, while she being under threat for breaking the law (Leviticus 15:19), not only could she not ask him to heal her, she was not even allowed to touch him, or even be there in the crowd. I dont mean that you might create a circumstance where God doesnt get what He wants that happens all the time. Scientist still do not know what holds the molecules together, but interesting the word says; by him (Jesus) all things hold together. Something in me feels disgusted over the modern day church. Here is what the great Matthew Henry said; It (this familiarity breeding contempt). Look at James 3:1: Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. He just changed forms.. (RNS) A Southern Baptist megachurch pastor in North Carolina, already under fire for buying a $1.6 million house, is in the spotlight again . If your father is not a modalist, he will be able to explain the doctrine of the trinity and be able to explain how the Son is not the Father, for example. But it and the other quotes slide perilously close. Its also biblical. My question is about Elevation music do you think we ought to sing their songs at home or in church? Is it because Steven Furtick tickles YOUR itching ears? And if a church were to simply remove the names of the musicians and only include the title, would this somehow make singing the songs ok? When Paul chastised the foolish churches in Galatia, he did so because they had turned to another gospel. They dont use sober judgment. Im sorry that you and I disagree on this, my friend but my position is not my own. This is false and ridiculous. In our natural state, we want nothing to do with God. No, that cant be the way to identify false teachers. Quite obviously, God was NOT telling Moses that he was as God is. Instead, God gave Moses a message for the Israelites: he was being sent by I Am. Not only does Furticks teaching not match this passage of Scripture, he contradicts it directly. I appreciate the fact that you did your homework! This belief talks about the nature of God. Thats enough to condemn Furticks statement. Neither is God limited to 3 dimensions as we are, but exists in such a way that the past, present and future are observed simultaneously. One would assume that this kind of education might help him avoid really dumb theological ideas, but that assumption is flawed. Steven Furtick earned a Master of Divinity degree from the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Thats part of why Ive decided, after 24 years of having online discussions about Jesus, to go ahead and write about false teachers: so many have simply been deceived. Women received their dead raised to life again. Verses 33-35. This is saying, if I may be so bold, that because of their thoughts towards Jesus, they did not believe in him! This video was also made on the basis of these guide. One strategy is to ask questions in a different context. Itss just cool. Second, Im supremely confident that you will agree with these statements correct me if Im wrong: If you agree with those things, then the only thing left for you and me to figure out is whether Steven Furticks teaching actually DOES contradict Scripture right? If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. What matters is what the Bible teaches, and whether those who preach and teach in Jesus name are teaching falsely. PO Box 1679, Fort Mill, SC 29716 | Customer Service: 1-877-857-2244 | Orders: 1-888-777-1896. He teaches that God created a good Law, then broke His own Law, and did it because He loves us. The problem is having volunteers appear to be regular attendees who are eager to be baptized. Dont trust me. No, no, no no no no no noooo. Pauls entire ministry illustrates the selfless nature of the true Shepherd. So it cant apply to the whole Bible, or even to the whole New Testament. Man has three components likewise God. The Scriptures are enough. Fried chicken, cornbread and cake what brings you back to this Charlotte restaurant. A new grant aims to preserve it. This man may be and seemingly is wrong on some doctrinal issues. But I dont want to follow a false teacher. God existed, then created humans, then became the Son to carry out different functions. Is that really a problem? I hope youll take all of this in the spirit in which it was written: from one brother to another, with respect, and even a little fun. It is unacceptable to me as a pastor that we would stop growing when the Lord wants to add to our number daily those who are being saved, Furtick wrote in an Outreach magazine column in 2012. Your James reference you switched up, 1:3 should be 3:1 . He publicly approves of false teachers like T.D. You sound angry. ElevationChurch.Online is the online experience for Elevation Church, led by Pastor Steven Furtick and broadcasting from Charlotte, NC. You may also want to check out a list of Bible Teachers I Can Recommend. THAT is the purpose of this article: to help people understand that Steven Furtick is not a trustworthy teacher of Scripture. Heres Furtick, talking about Gods encounter with Moses in the wilderness: When God said I Am to Moses, you know, my name is I Am, He was trying to get him to see you are as I am. As soon as I started explaining why we should consider people like Steven Furtick to be false teachers, my traffic DOUBLED. First, Ive confirmed your subscription to this comment thread. Manybtimes statements of faith by very otherwise orthodox groups miss this teaching. This is certainly not true, but its the foundational error of their movement. Dont even listen to yourself! You said you could not find any Bible that translates it in any other way than did., yet CEB says; His claim was that Jesus COULD NOT heal those people because of His unbelief that He had the power, and wanted to use it, but COULD NOT. The Lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the world. Needs a dose of 1 Peter 5:5, as we all must! I didnt cite the judgment part because I think he goes too far. To suggest that God is not all-powerful goes against 3500 years of biblical witness, every bit of Judaic and Christian belief, and hundreds of verses of Scripture, both Old and New Testament. I hope not. ), 7. All I know is what God has done in my life."'. Someone gave me a good example that Ill share with you: if the Jehovahs Witnesses started producing really good music that your church liked to sing, would you be okay with that? Especially when you can see the iron (microscopic amounts) from one transferring to the other. Does this man believe ? Just as you control what you say, God sent forth by His living Word what HE was saying. They did bad things, and no amount of awesomeness in the lives of their children can turn their crimes into blessings. You ask about removing their names. How many times have we heard a sermon like this from Furtick, or Joel Osteen, or Kenneth Copeland? He bares his heart in vs 2-14 as an example for what it means to fix our eyes on Jesus. Right, Jesus did miracles to show he was God the Son, as in, When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby. These were not unbelievers, but believed and even asked for Jesus to come heal Lazarus. So I agree and hope God reveals the truth to him. I think you all foolish jealous that God can use a young man to reach and touch a younger generation-A godly man will alway get rebutted -shepherd boy David was constantly rejected yet he had heart after God -God see the heart of man so say you everything you want at least pastor Steve is not like Jimmy Swaggers a A womanizer or like Jim jones all these preacher that were manipulators of and womanizersGod said you know then by their fruit! >> It is false to teach that God is a multiple personality being. As for including the entire faith teachings, please feel free to defend any of them. The Bible is about God, and we learn about Him and about ourselves by reading it. Slew of child sexual abuse lawsuits could bankrupt the Diocese of Sacramento, bishop says, Deputy rapes woman at traffic stop and tells her she wont be charged, Tennessee cops say. Im curious. The standard in the New Testament is clear: we ARE to throw the baby out with the bath water. This is not a simple theological error, or a questionable interpretation of a particular Bible verse. Just what is the criteria in establishing if someone is a false teacher. I dont mean that you might create a circumstance where God has already made decisions about what will happen, as when someone dies after a lifetime of rebellion. I want to be discerning. Humility and teachableness, and the willingness to consider that there might be more than we now understand is fundamental to avoiding error. As it also says in Mark 6:5 Lets see a sit down between you and Pastor Furtick. The church has now grown to a weekly attendance over 27,000 (as of 2019). Almost all of the books in the New Testament warn us about false teachers, and tell us what to do when we find them. He had a physical ailment that was never healed. Dr. Dewey Smith. For with the heart man believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. In Furticks example, God does not know the future. Thanks for your comment. The question is whether you were, or werent and you were. The number of times someone is right is irrelevant to the question of whether they also teach false things. We must be careful to consider the cost when publically denouncing a man as a false teacher. However: when someone claims to hold to orthodox, biblical, historical Christian doctrine but then makes clear public statements of modalism, its obvious that theyre not teaching what they claim to teach. Furtick feels blessed and wants to keep on going Elevation's attendance goal for 2010 is 10,000. Modalism is the unbiblical idea that there is one God who is only one person and that when we see the Father, Son, and Spirit, we are seeing three different manifestations of the same single person. Itll only take a moment: why was Paul never healed? By grace ye are saved, and that is a mighty work, but it is through faith, (Eph. Furticks teaching is chock full of narcigesis. The truth matters. This is a common practice among those in the Word of Faith and New Apostolic Reformation movements: making claims that sound good, that have no basis in Scripture, that cant be contradicted directly because theyre created out of thin air. Im not sure we can say that. We should all be like the Bereans: Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. The scroll in question is a scroll of prophecy. That excludes a number of books in the Bible, since not all are prophetic. Youve spent many words pointing out that God can enable us to do things using His power. Its important to keep our eye on the actual question at hand. Again, no, God did not break the law, as James 2:10 says whoever stumbles at one point of the law is guilty of breaking it all, which means God did not break any of His Old Testament laws! Having said that ,he may be the only source of the gospel to many. God cannot sin. For example: Jehovahs Witnesses may glorify Jesus, but not the Jesus described in the Bible. The laws, regulations, and guidelines we see in Scripture for both ancient Israel and for followers of Jesus are, historically speaking, universally understood to be a reflection of Gods character. The very idea of salvation contradicts that notion! May God save his soul if he doesnt know Christ and may God give His children eyes to see and ears to hear. I think its important, on several levels. What do you do when someone asks you whether a teacher is reliable or unreliable? 9:23,24. Then he started acting like a pastor, penciling in appointments in a date book with friends he hoped to convert. In this case, its that Jesus isnt God, and isnt one with the Father, but that Hes the first being that God created. Every word that came out of His mouth was the Father speaking. Im less likely to trust anyone who makes a point to call another out in this fashion. I dont believe youre making a mountain out of a molehill. Of course, I dont really watch very many of his sermons so it would be easy to miss if he did. Tony, I know you dont need a cheering section or anything, but I cant help it when you make points I have been saying for years. All things are in general possible to God (Matthew 19:26), but then it is to him that believes as to the particulars, Mk. Steven Furtick (@stevenfurtick) July 30, 2017. Unfortunately, thats not the case with everyone. No, that is most definitely NOT what Jesus said. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that comes to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Hebrews 11:6. Typically, oneness folks will cut and run when asked to defend their view. Youre asking him to critique an unbiblical perspective. If you cant learn how to believe and stand on the word of God and believe that youre healed before you see it, then the majority of you are not ever gonna see the physical manifestation. The question is not whether the unbelief of many in Nazareth stopped Jesus from doing more miracles. Ive only done the same. Gamaliel didnt know whether this new sect of Jesus-followers was from God or not. If you disagree, I struggle to imagine why you would continue to argue about whether Furtick should be trusted to teach the gospel. Recently, I was watching a message by Pastor Steven Furtick, who is a fellow Southern Baptist Church planter and senior pastor of Elevation Church, which is also affiliated with the same. Furtick claims that Jesus was unable to do any miracles, but thats not what the text says. First, phenomenal post! Apparently, Jesus and James and Jude and John and Peter and Paul thought that it was important to tell the churches to watch out for false teachers. Let me know if theres some other way I can help, beyond praying (which Im doing right now). If He did, then it would be easy to spot those who have been born again: we would all agree on everything. Dont listen to what I say, or what Steven Furtick says. Yet not as I will, but as you will. Let me go a step farther and BEG YOU to take the Bible more seriously, and to compare what Ive written, what youve written, and what Steven Furtick says with Gods Word. Yet, the difference between animals blood and Christ blood, is great. Thanks for asking. Do you see what I mean? Normally, I strictly use a false teachers own words to explain why we should avoid them. He was prepared to. The Trinity of God is like man being a spirit having a soul and living in body. The Lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the world. I get why these actually misdescribe the Trinity and are ultimately unhelpful. I know analogies are flawed and the Trinity is difficult to encapsulate but, for me, its always been easy to understand at the simplest level. Word of Faith teachers regularly demote God and promote man. Jesus is the Word of God, (logos, the intelligence of God expressed in words) made flesh. His publicist. First of all we have the Holy Spirit which guides us when something is incorrect the holy spirit will Quicken us to let us know what is right and what is not. Unfortunately, based on his own words, hes not like that. Third, we know that the Son is not the Father nor the Spirit, and that the Spirit is not the Father. The Father is spirit. Thank you for your encouraging words, Josh. God is not molecular, but rather, God made molecular! Jesus was. If youre a Christian, one would assume that you believe the Bible to be a guide for Christians. That seems important, doesnt it? document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright GodWords 2023 - All Rights Reserved. If Steven Furtick fails to actually tell people how to get to Heaven, theyll never get there. For example, in that same passage of Scripture, one might read into the passage the idea that Jesus may have been angry at His old neighbors and at His family. Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly, It is for your good that I am going away. They represent the consensus view of all of Scripture, old and new. 2 Timothy 1:7 No I cant see a mans heart, but everybody talking about heaven aint going. Oneness theology isnt simply monotheism. Certainly Gods actions are, at times, conditional. I also appreciate you taking the time to comment, and to try to be helpful to Kathleen. Send Message View Contact Details Run Background Check. We dont have souls we ARE souls, which is a combination of the physical and the spiritual. I hope to study and understand the Word of God more so I can confidently stand on and defend the faith. I mean no offense by this, Mercy. As for, Do you, in any sense, have power over God? Paul said he was not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: Notice the connection between Power and faith Jesus said the HolySpirit proceeds from the Father. Hundreds of recently filed sexual abuse lawsuits could lead to the bankruptcy of the Catholic Diocese of Sacramento, the diocese's bishop said this week in a letter to the congregation. He called Word of Faith teacher Joyce Meyer the greatest Bible teacher alive today.. God's Got Your Back Part 2. v13 says Now the man who had been healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, as there was a crowd in the place. Jesus healed this invalid who had no faith, HE DIDNT EVEN KNOW HIM! (Modeled after Downtown, a rap video from Macklemore & Ryan Lewis, the refrain went like this: Pastor/He has big arms/And has big faith/No word he says will go to waste/For well over 3,000 days/He always preaches down the place.), 10. Here are a few verses: I could go on, of course. But, Jesus knew that a resurrection would be greater show of his power, than a mere healing! Wow, your example with children drives the point home WAY better than mine did. We are made in Gods image, but as God said there is no one like Him. I have confidence that it happens all the time, all around the world. The problem is that people dont study the Word of God enough to understand. But, seeing that you have an aversion to faith folks, you are not going to relent. He did not change forms and become spirit. For that, Im glad. There are a number of very serious problems with Furticks teaching on this. Less than three years after launching Elevation, a pop culture-friendly church with an orthodox Christian message, the S.C.-born Furtick has powered it onto the Top 10 list of fastest-growing evangelical churches in America, as determined by Outreach magazine. I see that you dont write to condemn him, but to objectively note his errors. Furtick is, quite simply, wrong: God can, and often does, override our unbelief. Questions about false teaching often raise emotions pretty high, so thanks! Not just theological stuff, but ALL true things. Humans are not a trinity. Having said that, great reading. Hes not alone, unfortunately. (He is now listed as a co-writer of the songs from Elevation Worship, his churchs music team. First: what does this passage actually SAY? As founder and lead pastor, he has helped grow the multi-site Elevation Church into . Your email address will not be published. He is unique. From Phineas Quimby to EW Kenyon to Kenneth Hagin to Furtick, Word of Faith teachers claim that God is limited in what He CAN do, that WE are the ones who can unlock His power and allow Him to act as Hed LIKE to act, and that its our MINDSET that keeps us from reaping the amazing benefits of being born again. They should not be tolerated in the local church. It is fascinating to watch in slow motion and magnified. Third: what is this scroll? Ive removed the link you provided, in case any would be tempted to go and listen to him. Appreciate that look up. His birth sign is Pisces. See also: a list of Bible Teachers I Can Recommend, i now understand why you see him as a false teacher. Then one day, while reading "Fresh Wind, Fresh Fire," a book his pastor had loaned him, a sentence on page 23 stopped him cold: "I despaired at the thought that my life might pass me by without God moving greatly on my behalf.". They give a more complete picture of the events, and provide more accurate meanings. The impulse to fake it is completely understandable but deception is not a valid church growth strategy. Its not a surprise to see that Andrew Wommack agrees with Steven Furtick, as both are Word of Faith teachers. God cannot sin, but we certainly can. Does pointing to false teaching make one a Pharisee? And . I plan to study it thoroughly with my husband. But the star is Furtick, a passionate personality who blogs, plays guitar, wears pointy-toed European shoes, and studies videos of other preachers. This idea that we are able to limit God is held by many, if not most, Word of Faith teachers. Right? 2. >> it is CLEAR that it is all ONE God, ONE Spirit, ONE Lord. 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